What many people fail to realize when they ‘channel’
the voice of Socrates ‘here’ in defense of rational discourse
is that Socrates is equally a mystical/esoteric leaning individual,
as reported with hearing inner voices
and leaning toward mystical/esoteric
deities as well.
Socrates is reported as a non-conformist;
walking barefoot through the streets and rarely bathing.
Honestly, if Socrates is to come into ‘this forum’ here, the literalists/MATERIAL REDUCTIONISTS/nihilists that inhabit this forum will likely call him insane, schizophrenic, and other pejorative leaning terms, and attempt to shake his confidence in himself by suggesting he is talking gibberish and the scientific method does not evidence the mysticism/esotericism of his expressed heart/soul through human spirit (that empathic ‘right-brained’ stuff that some/most healthy/FREE humans do).
But per one’s statement here, as a casual observer, here are more words of evidence, quoted and linked below, of what I am speaking about here, referenced as such.
The reported Socrates is more like the reported gnostic Jesus
than any literally, ‘black and white’ thinking person, in this forum for sure.
However, another common misconception is that all folks diagnosed on the Autism Spectrum have a literally thinking computer-like mind, and are not able to construct and understand abstract metaphors with high emotional content that do connect with poetic leaning minds like Socrates, etc., etc., etc…..
Obviously, this isn’t a welcoming environment for THAT and these more sensitive, loving, empathic, kind, much MUCH DEEPER THINKING Autistic folks will not usually subject themselves to the torment often brought to folks with esoteric/MYSTICAL leaning minds who attempt to tread here.
However, there are folks like me who have tough skin and a kind heart, like Socrates, too, who can literally withstand any distraction or provoking online or in real life, without a flinch of emotion or worry, per the inner life of me, as one who masters mind and body balance like Buddha, who is like this too..:)
Yes, Socrates, as described in recorded text, is most likely at least on the Broader Autism Phenotype, and the only thing that keeps him from being homeless and destitute, per functionally disabled in culture, is his financial independence at that time, too, like Buddha and Muhammad, as well.
Not everyone gets to walk around town barefoot all day (Socrates);
and just sit under a tree (Buddha); or in a cave (Muhammad);
or dance walk a martial arts/ballet style of dance 19 months for 3300 miles in the general public, per most metro area stores with a ‘shopaholic’ wife like me (Fred), with all the free time in the world to think about the deeper mystical/esoteric stuff in life,
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY EXPRESS IT,
in human empathic leaning metaphorical emotion
(heart/soul/spirit)-fuller human monologue
and or dialogue communication.
My current advantage is modern technology
and the tools of multimedia communication.
And apparently (OBVIOUSLY) Jesus,
(the desert freeloader) will be described as a freeloader today,
if he comes again too, kind of like the ‘dude’ off the ‘Big Lebowski’ movie too.
The ‘Cohen Brothers’ in their movies, including the ‘Big Lebowski’, make a satire out of modern Christianity, as a practice of pointing out the hypocrisy from the actual original intent in metaphors of message, in the teachings of Gnostic Jesus that do still exist, consisting of truth and light.
And of course there are many examples of this in modern artful efforts from artistic folks who REALLY GET THE MESSAGES SPOKEN AT CORE OF WHAT THE METAPHORS OF THE HUMAN CONDITION truly mean in the emotional/spiritual life of human being, in much fuller potential existential intelligence sought, found, employed, utilized and practiced continually in life.
TRUE Genius does not exist where there is no art of imagination and creativity of mind exercised in physical intelligence driving emotional regulation, sensory integration, cognitive executive functioning including enhancing focus and short term working memory to make real human miracles come TRUTH AND LIGHT where the real flesh and blood hits the REAL ‘highways’ of life.
Standard IQ ‘has no clue’,
to measure TRUE HUMAN GENIUS.
TRUE HUMAN GENIUS,
has neither measure or EXPECTATIONS OR LIMITS.
THE Literal thinking mind by very definition is limited, like a computer with bones of thinking only; instead of flesh and blood heart, soul, and spirit expressed like Socrates, Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad, Einstein, and that list goes on and on and on….infinitum…
They are just the ones who make recorded and or reported history, as such, among others….
ANYWAY, thanks for addressing this.
Unlike Socrates, I do not ask the questions.
I answer them..;)
With smiles, too..:)
And IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE, when AND where that is available AND allowed….
Quote: “Socrates is guilty of crime in refusing to recognise the gods acknowledged by the state, and importing strange divinities of his own; he is further guilty of corrupting the young”
Quote: “Perhaps the most well known factor of Socrates’ life in respect to his own actual religion is his statements of having a sign or voice, daimonion ti (meaning divine something) (ref. p. 9). Plato and Xenophon writings don’t refer much to the divine sign. When Socrates refers to the divine sign he states it influences his daily life, usually to stop him from doing something. Plato’s writings in Apology state that Socrates thinks that to believe in daimones is to believe in gods.”
Quote: “Perhaps the most interesting facet of this is Socrates’ reliance on what the Greeks called his “daimonic sign”, an averting (ἀποτρεπτικός apotreptikos) inner voice Socrates heard only when he was about to make a mistake. It was this sign that prevented Socrates from entering into politics. In the Phaedrus, we are told Socrates considered this to be a form of “divine madness”, a gift from the gods and gives us poetry, mysticism, love, and even philosophy itself. Alternately, the sign is often taken to be what we would call “intuition”; however, Socrates’ characterization of the phenomenon as “daimonic” may suggest that its origin is divine, mysterious, and independent of his own thoughts. Today, such a voice might be classified under the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders as a command hallucination.”
The first problem with THAT is the assumption that GOD is an anthropomorphic HE.
God Is Nature AND that is plain as the nose on the face of human beings whether that nose can ‘smell’ GOD or NOT.
To ‘smell’ GOD is evidence of GOD.
And for folks who cannot understand metaphors or GOD per how GOD works as force of verb rather than noun of thing, there is no understanding GOD and for all practical intents and purposes THE force OF GOD DOES not fully exist in the lives of those folks who
CANNOT ‘SMELL’ GOD.
I BREATHE IN THE FORCE OF GOD AS VERB WITH ALL MY SENSES AND EMOTIONS AS A ‘SMELLY’ ‘FEELY’ HUMAN BEING.
THEREFORE I PROVE GOD WITH MY EXISTENCE AS IS verb of FORCE rather than just noun of material reductionist nihilist thing.
As much as some religious fundamentalists will love to see that per apocalyptic prophecies of the human world ending, as a self-fulfilling prophecy, World War 3 is NOT GOING TO happen, for obvious reasons.
The folks with money and REAL POWER who are in control, are NOT fundamentalist leaning religious folks BASING WARRING terrorist actions on religious ideology or other illusory ideologies.
They are all about power and money, and are way way way too selfish, to ever sacrifice their lives for a notion of religion or other silly ideological illusion instead of REASON AND COLD HARD CASH.
WORLD WAR THREE ASSURES MUTUAL destruction.
Thanks GOD for ‘psychopathic’ leaning leaders, AS they are way too selfish to commit suicide for an ideology.
They are all about the money, and ironically that is a life saving ideology when it comes to mutual destruction through nuclear war-heads of death.
Politics is all about human emotions. And while there is ‘ISIS’ there is the all mighty dollar protecting human life too, as well as ‘psychopathic’ leaning minds that are totally selfish..
Where so called dark becomes light. too.
Where ‘psychopaths’ become the saviors of humankind wittingly or NOT.
I sleep soundly at night realizing ‘psychopathic’ leaders will never ever let World WAR 3 become a reality.
But on the other hand I more fully live and understand the human condition in just one life time to more fully understand this with both cognitive and affective empathy more
The greatest thing about culture is resources
and opportunities for learning and freedom of expression, as time goes on.
The hardest thing about MODERN culture is finding a balance of keeping human empathic connection in heart/SOUL IN EXPRESSING HUMAN spirit, and NOT BECOMING A TOOL OF CULTURE, MOREOVER THAN A HUMAN BEING.
I CAN DO things for freedom of expression now that my ancestors could have never dreamed of at my age.
And as far as worrying about if ‘skeletons’ come out of closets, the greatest thing about sharing humanity rather than keeping everything secret and hidden, is skeletons no longer become viewed as skeletons in closet.
Instead, skeletons become part of the human condition, more fully appreciated, tolerated, and potentially accepted and at most most likely ignored as there is way too much stuff to do, rather than focus on one person’s so-called dirty laundry.
And as far as financial info, getting stolen, I just keep one credit card with fraud protection; problem solved, and don’t use my full name on the Internet, as there are much bigger ‘phish’ to capture than me, who do not use due caution to express themselves as literally fully as they want to, everywhere they go in Internet land, where freedom is possible no matter where a person lives..
Where a Muslim woman can talk about sex if she wants to,
with a pseudo name, and not get ‘stoned’, and all that ‘stuff’…
It is a great generation for those who discipline themselves in balance and are NOT AFRAID to fully express who they want to be both online and in REAL LIFE TOO..:)
AND IF A PERSON can avoid getting trapped in a materialistic spending habit world, it doesn’t take THAT much money to get by and have basic subsistence, assured.
And with the addition of subsidized health care that potential is greater than ever too, for folks who want to have a family too, with all the health issues that do often go along with that.
The most important thing is to keep an optimistic outlook.
Attitude is 99% of ‘good’ in life, no matter what the environment may be.
Without a positive outlook, a ‘zillionaire’ can be miserable everyday, ‘everynow’…
And what is a positive attitude…
It is a way of life established by developing mind and body balance through GREATER physical intelligence regulating emotions, sensory integration, enhancing cognitive executive functioning through enhanced focus and short term working memory.
And all that takes is an E for Effort of continual creative and imaginative practice, and little to no money to accomplish that part of real potential in human bliss in the heaven of now, all the time now, with or without materialistic stuff and lots of money in the bank, or not;
YES, THIS IS ‘The stuff’ that can be totally ‘FREE’ without even the assistance of modern technology in ways of mind and body balance, AND is priceless,
for those who seek it, find it, employ it, utilize it and practice it continually to just be all THEY CAN BE NOW AS IS.
Black and White’ Thinking is the ‘child’ of modern cultural ways of spoon feeding rules of culture with ‘objective’ tests to determine proficiency, as future ‘cogs in the machine’ of society, as is.
‘Shades of Grey’, and ‘Colorful thinking’ requires ART in empathic social cognition mind.
Black and White thinking is the systemizing science mechanics of machine mind.
And not only THAT; ‘scaredy’ cat human beings in an attempt to escape existential angst without the ‘trouble’ of attaining and maintaining mind and body balance WITH NATURE
making environment of order from a natural environment of ART AKA GOD, PER ALL THAT IS Nature grown wild and free, AS HUMANS ARE EVOLVED TO BE TOO, LIKE ANY OTHER ANIMAL THAT IS TRULY FREE.
‘Sidewalks’ of walking are a repetitive restriction of movement that end up in all types of ergonomic injury later in life, from walking in a straight line rather than flowing with nature’s pattern ‘invisibly’ escaping predator and capturing prey by a way of moving like the golden spiral of 1.618 PHI in movement without a sound to alarm either predator or prey.
I not only do this in the ‘dance of life'; I do this in the ‘fuller color’ of human writing symbolically too..:)
And yes, there are black and white dancers in life, as recently in a metro-wide dance contest I attend the ballet students are extremely proficient in lessoned dance practiced in advance but when it comes to interpretive dance where the song is not known, the mind is not fast enough to tell the body where to go AND the truly free dancers in mind and body balance WIN, without ‘a lesson’ from ‘Fred Astaire’.
Seriously, Black and White thinking is so common because humans no longer, for a large part, have the ability to employ ISA’s Instinct, Skills and Abilities that are derived from all Innate Intuitive ways of living.
Crystalized Intelligence is a ‘new way’ of ‘thinking’ past and future but no it is not A ‘REAL WAY’ OF LIVING KNOWLEDGE PER EXPERIENCE, EMOTIONS, AND SENSES AS TRULY LIVING ‘IN COLOR’ NOW, RATHER THAN EXTREMELY LIMITED ‘ONE CHANNEL BLACK AND WHITE LIFE’ IN AN ILLUSORY PAST AND PRESENT OF LIFE THAT NEVER EVER EXISTS AT ALL, IN THE ‘REAL WORLD OF FLESH AND BLOOD’, AT LEAST..:)
In many philosophies and religions throughout the ages in one metaphor or another folks report that GOD ‘speaks’ in ‘sychronicities’ for those who ‘listen’ close enough to ‘hear’ ‘those’ ‘synchronicities’ with more than ‘eyes and ears’.
And truly that’s impossible to understand until one ‘hears’ the ‘voice’ of GOD like this that is no word alone.
And as far as what to do with those ‘synchronicities’ that is where the old adage ‘discernment’ and a ‘personal relationship’ with GOD comes in.
That’s a lifelong ‘ART WITH GOD’ that no words alone can either define or describe, fully.
It’s like defining Love; no one has defined love fully in words in all the shades of grey and colors
THAT loves comes in and exists in the human experience.
This is ART, friend, and not science alone, and so is GOD and until one experiences GOD as both science and ART there is only a bony skeleton of GOD in systemizing science of mind, in relative terms of a spectrum of alone, instead of ALLONE.
And by a way, Jesus (the so-called historical Jesus) and many others attempt to relay this to others as a message of Love and assistance but no one owns the essence of this message but ALLONE alone, which truly IS Nature AS ALLTHATIS ALLONE AS IS NOW.
There is more than one ‘world’ in the ‘eye(s) of the beholder(s)’.
And even science suggests those last two lines are correct.
So this IS at least partial evidence, per science, as to ‘WHY’ and ‘HOW’ SOME folks ‘hear’ and ‘see’ GOD like ‘this’ AND ‘WHY’ SOME